When Mark and I first came to Heritage in July of 2005, we came sharing the position of Young Adult Pastor. We did this for a couple different reasons: first, we both wanted to do ministry and the church only had one full-time position open. They were willing to go along with this arrangement, and so, we were optimistic that we could make it work. Second, we realized that since both of us were called to ministry, we knew that the odds of us finding a church that was offering two full time pastoral jobs that fit us both were really slim. We realize that this will be an issue for us for a lot of our life, so we decided to take an opportunity that was presented since not all churches would necessarily be open to something like this. Third, we were hoping that if we did a decent job together that maybe someday down the line another position might open up that one of us could apply for and eventually we would both have full-time positions. We knew it wasn’t a guarantee by any means, but we knew it was a possibility. And finally, we felt like Heritage was a great church that we could learn and grow a lot at, and we wanted to give it a try. So, we came sharing a position.
I have to say that when we came, we knew it might be a challenge. For starters, we were newly married, moving to a “new” place [even though Mark grew up here and I was familiar with the QC], had to make all new friends, and we shared a job, a car, and an office. And did I mention it was our first year of ministry as well? There were a lot of variables in there that made for disaster, and to be honest, it was challenging. But we dove in and made the best of it. Luckily for us, due to both of our youth pastors leaving at relatively the same time, we ended up with two full time positions after about a year. Mark stepped over as the interim High School Pastor, and I took on the Young Adult Ministry on my own.
Shortly before we split into two positions, I had a friend email me and mention that she was thinking of sharing a position with her new husband as well, asking for some advice. So here are some things I told her as I reflected on sharing a position with my husband [taken mostly straight from the email I sent her]:
Probably the biggest thing I would suggest is make sure that your position/responsibilities are divided out. Make sure there are things each of you are responsible for that don't require you to always ask the other person for permission to do. Have stuff that each of you can run with and invest in. That has been the most hindering thing for Mark and I trying to do one position together. If your gifts are really different and compliment each other, this could be easy, but we both wanted to do most things [or there were things neither of us wanted to do]. It was harder for us b/c we didn't have a clear plan of what was expected of us. You may both find that there are places that you will sacrifice...where you will give up an area that you would love to do, but that is expected. I'd also say, though, that you should experiment with different things...even if it scares you to teach, try it at least once...step out of your comfort zone and who knows...you may find that there is an area that you are gifted in that you never knew about before.
Make sure you are encouraging and supporting each other as much as possible. People may naturally look to the husband as the leader simply b/c he is the male. He may have to be really intentional about letting people know that he alone is not the pastor, but that you are in a sense, each 1/2 a pastor. He will have to be intentional about pointing people toward you for the areas that you invest in. Mark has been super intentional with his actions and words in helping people see that I am also a pastor. Also...communicate, communicate, communicate! If you thought you had to communicate a ton as newlyweds, it ends up being multiplied by the fact that you are working together as well.
Try and find ways to not always talk about ministry. It can get easy to "take work home with you" and one day you will realize all you talk about is ministry. Be intentional with date nights and having evenings where all you do is hang out and be together...I've had to say to Mark, "Let’s not talk about the church at all tonight." Make sure you're having fun together.
See if you can work some hours that are not overlapping [assuming you will share an office]. When Mark and I first started on here, we worked all our hours together. We began to realize that we needed some time apart, so we changed our schedule, so now we each have a day in the office where the other doesn't work [at least in the office...we may go to a coffee shop or work at home], and we still have a couple days where we overlap, but it made a HUGE difference for us to not have all our hours the same, sitting side-by-side all day. If you don’t share an office, this might not be as big of an issue.
Just realize that you will do things/approach things differently. For a long time I always felt like I was doing things/approaching things wrong b/c mark would want to do it differently. It's not wrong...we are just two different people with two different personalities, and we approach different situations differently sometimes. That's okay...probably even good. The first several years of ministry are ones of great discovery – of your gifts, passions, and abilities…take time to understand yourself and realize that people with different personalities do ministry differently sometimes, and that that’s okay.
Looking back, I am thankful for the season of life where we shared a ministry position. I learned a lot and it freed us up to have a lot of time together [we really tried to only work only one full-time positions worth of hours]. I learned a lot about myself and a lot from Mark, and although I’m not sure we’ll ever share a position again, if it ever were to happen, we’d be much more prepared to work in that situation effectively. I know that time was something God used to shape me as a person, a wife, and a leader, and I know it helped lay a foundation upon which we can build for future ministry.
What do you think? Any thoughts to add to my list?
I have to say that when we came, we knew it might be a challenge. For starters, we were newly married, moving to a “new” place [even though Mark grew up here and I was familiar with the QC], had to make all new friends, and we shared a job, a car, and an office. And did I mention it was our first year of ministry as well? There were a lot of variables in there that made for disaster, and to be honest, it was challenging. But we dove in and made the best of it. Luckily for us, due to both of our youth pastors leaving at relatively the same time, we ended up with two full time positions after about a year. Mark stepped over as the interim High School Pastor, and I took on the Young Adult Ministry on my own.
Shortly before we split into two positions, I had a friend email me and mention that she was thinking of sharing a position with her new husband as well, asking for some advice. So here are some things I told her as I reflected on sharing a position with my husband [taken mostly straight from the email I sent her]:
Probably the biggest thing I would suggest is make sure that your position/responsibilities are divided out. Make sure there are things each of you are responsible for that don't require you to always ask the other person for permission to do. Have stuff that each of you can run with and invest in. That has been the most hindering thing for Mark and I trying to do one position together. If your gifts are really different and compliment each other, this could be easy, but we both wanted to do most things [or there were things neither of us wanted to do]. It was harder for us b/c we didn't have a clear plan of what was expected of us. You may both find that there are places that you will sacrifice...where you will give up an area that you would love to do, but that is expected. I'd also say, though, that you should experiment with different things...even if it scares you to teach, try it at least once...step out of your comfort zone and who knows...you may find that there is an area that you are gifted in that you never knew about before.
Make sure you are encouraging and supporting each other as much as possible. People may naturally look to the husband as the leader simply b/c he is the male. He may have to be really intentional about letting people know that he alone is not the pastor, but that you are in a sense, each 1/2 a pastor. He will have to be intentional about pointing people toward you for the areas that you invest in. Mark has been super intentional with his actions and words in helping people see that I am also a pastor. Also...communicate, communicate, communicate! If you thought you had to communicate a ton as newlyweds, it ends up being multiplied by the fact that you are working together as well.
Try and find ways to not always talk about ministry. It can get easy to "take work home with you" and one day you will realize all you talk about is ministry. Be intentional with date nights and having evenings where all you do is hang out and be together...I've had to say to Mark, "Let’s not talk about the church at all tonight." Make sure you're having fun together.
See if you can work some hours that are not overlapping [assuming you will share an office]. When Mark and I first started on here, we worked all our hours together. We began to realize that we needed some time apart, so we changed our schedule, so now we each have a day in the office where the other doesn't work [at least in the office...we may go to a coffee shop or work at home], and we still have a couple days where we overlap, but it made a HUGE difference for us to not have all our hours the same, sitting side-by-side all day. If you don’t share an office, this might not be as big of an issue.
Just realize that you will do things/approach things differently. For a long time I always felt like I was doing things/approaching things wrong b/c mark would want to do it differently. It's not wrong...we are just two different people with two different personalities, and we approach different situations differently sometimes. That's okay...probably even good. The first several years of ministry are ones of great discovery – of your gifts, passions, and abilities…take time to understand yourself and realize that people with different personalities do ministry differently sometimes, and that that’s okay.
Looking back, I am thankful for the season of life where we shared a ministry position. I learned a lot and it freed us up to have a lot of time together [we really tried to only work only one full-time positions worth of hours]. I learned a lot about myself and a lot from Mark, and although I’m not sure we’ll ever share a position again, if it ever were to happen, we’d be much more prepared to work in that situation effectively. I know that time was something God used to shape me as a person, a wife, and a leader, and I know it helped lay a foundation upon which we can build for future ministry.
What do you think? Any thoughts to add to my list?
6 comments:
Can I have permission to distribute this to my classes??? --coach d
That is a very comprehensive list, down to the details. I've never been Full time with John, just part time, but we've been there done that with most of what you've shared! Nice job! There are some really great thoughts in there!
I think that John and I are really blessed to work alongside each other though, I wouldn't have it any other way. We personally like working toward the same goal with the same ministry more than two completly different ministries. We've done both and really prefer working on the same Ministry. Our last church I did kids and partly teens, and John did teens and partly kids with me...we felt like we were running in two different directions all the time and it was really wearing us out. Now we are both doing all Youth Ministry with the exception of a few kids ministry things that I still do, and he still helps. We are very team oriented that way, so, that's our prefrence, but, if we were both full time, it might be different. Also, I'm not a pastor, but, we are still a team, and not only is John intentional about it, but so have both of our Senior Pastors, and I think that makes a difference too.
Thanks for sharing Jess, I think that being in Ministry alongside your spouse is a blessing and a great example for those we lead.
-Danielle:)
Danielle~
I totally understand where you are coming from. Two different ministries can definitely wear you out at times...and I think there will come a day that Mark and I will partner together in ministry, whether that means one of us has a job and one of us works alongside them or whether that means leading a church together, who knows. I know that this experience we had here will have helped us lay a foundation for whatever that will look like in the future. Thanks for your thoughts! You and John are an amazing ministry couple that I know is doing great things and leaving a huge impact on kids lives!
jess - i just like to start off and say where is his hair? :)
I think as a woman having your spouse communicate to others that you are not just hiw wife but a pastor makes a huge difference.
i think it makes a difference when you have two different positions/ministries and is even more important when you are working together in the same ministry.
very cool
Hi Jess, What a great article. You should try to publish it.
As a lay person, I think you have to have a special anointing for ministry, let alone sharing a job in ministry!
Happy 2nd Anniversary guys!!!
Love you.
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